Terry Venables is pretty clear on how he rates Dave Mackay.
Many people recall that famous photo of Mackay squaring up to Billy Bremner when Spurs played Leeds in the 1960s.
A concerned Venables is pictured yards away, watching to see what'll happen next.
But Venables is keen to point out that there was much more to Mackay than his toughness or his ability. He was also quite a character in the dressing room.
Tottenham are planning a series of tributes during tomorrow's match against Swansea. The issue will be fitting them all in.