Hillsborough inquests findings: Where do we go from here?
"Hasn't that finished yet?", "Are they still on about that?", "Surely they have to stop at some point."
They are depressingly familiar responses when Hillsborough is mentioned. But they are the responses from those who have the luxury of not being caught in the tragedy and the years of struggle that have followed.
The wish for those without that luxury - the families who have fought for so long - is pretty similar. They wish their fight was over, that their grief could be untainted by the need to press their case and fight for every step towards the truth.
Today's inquests have come about because of their fight but they do not mark the end however much they or others wish they did.
This time however it's not down to the families to do the work. Two criminal investigations are now underway to establish whether charges can be laid against those responsible for safety on the day or the investigation afterwards.
Operation Resolve is investigating if any criminal acts were committed on the day - the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating if any were committed in the days and years afterwards.
The investigations have cost £80 million so far and there is much work still to do.
Among those under scrutiny is Match Commander David Duckenfield, accused in the inquests of woefully inadequate leadership, deceit, failing to plan for the match or respond to the crisis.
The ambulance service could be investigated to see if it failed to respond appropriately in a way which cost lives.
The Sheffield Wednesday and the FA could be looked into as there was no valid safety certificate or system to monitor how many fans were in the pens.
The IPCC is investigating any cover up - who changed 260 police statements and why. At the inquest officers such as Norman Bettison who would become chief constable of Merseyside denied being part of a so-called 'black ops' project to change statements.
The IPCC will also consider why misleading information was passed to then prime minister Margaret Thatcher during a visit the day after and why the media was offered - and published or broadcast - the inaccurate narrative that fans were at fault.
West Midlands Police, the force appointed to carry out an immediate investigation into the disaster, will also be scrutinised to establish if they were part of any attempts to hide the truth.
A final decision on charges will fall to the Crown Prosecution Service. Those decision are not expected until next year.